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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 22:41:36 GMT
Sorry for bringing politics into this. That's absolutely ok lol. We all have our opinion and those don't have to be all equal. the fanforum guys are all nice but it's not easy to express your opinion there. But here you can post whatever you think and feel. I personally don't see that much issue in their patriotism in general but I think wlad might be a it too involved into this and therefore Hayden has the feeling she must support him in any way he can which is good of course (and relating to my prior post I really don't believe wlad is urging her to be only be commited in his country and do what he wants) but I think she's loosing a bit to much contact to her own roots and her own history of commitment for animals and people outside of ukraine. And this is a problem in my opinion. That's why I wish she would get back a little bit of her old confidence in her own power to change something also in the US or in Japan concerning whales. I know many fans out there would hate on me for saying this and call me weird for worrying about this. But I've seen this issue aggravating over the past two years from the time where she was but still much committed in the US as well and also still supporting her whale cause, tweeting about it and generally tweeting a lot to the point now where she isn't committed anymore at all in the US and also her animal commitment went from high to nearly not existing and if then only in Ukraine plus she said she's disappointed with her own country concerning politics etc. and therefore she doesn't want to put much energy into any form of political commitment in the US and she nearly doesn't tweet anymore at all no social stuff, no funny stuff, to replies to fans Just one or two tweets/pics per month. Of course she has a job and a baby and hence not much time. But that's not the only reason for sure, bc many celebs have 2+ children and are still committed and tweet a lot. So generally I'm a bit worried about this and would really like to help her before this development drops even more and I might get disappointed to a degree where I lose interest in her as person (not her acting of course, I'll always watch her films and shows bc she's an amazing actress and always will be). I really have no explanation for this change. That said I still have much hope and faith she'll get back to her old self sooner or later
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Post by laffytaffy on Jun 7, 2015 23:43:28 GMT
TBH I´m more worried about Wlad´s (and Vitali´s) patriotism and how that affects Wlad´s and Hayden´s relationship. They act just like Ukraine is all innocent and while I do think that Russia is mainly to blame the Ukrainians isn´t all nice either they also kill innocent people. I think it goes too far when you can´t get married because you´re worried about the situation in your country when you don´t even live there for most of the time. Maybe it would be different if Vitali wasn´t so heavily involved in politics, I don´t know. Sorry for bringing politics into this. THIS. I totally agree with you. I so think Wlad is way too obsessed with issues in Ukraine and everything has to be about Ukraine. It definitely goes too far when you claim you can't get married over conflicts in Ukraine? Come on now, that is not a good excuse in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 0:00:02 GMT
I haven´t been a fan of Hayden for so long but I really agree that she should interact more with her fans now that she has a Twitter account and I´m really surprised she doesn´t seem to care about dolphins anymore. I´m not worried about Wlad not being with her on events though, she hasn´t been at many lately and when she has been then he has often had work to do in Europe.
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Post by laffytaffy on Jun 8, 2015 0:04:31 GMT
I haven´t been a fan of Hayden for so long but I really agree that she should interact more with her fans now that she has a Twitter account and I´m really surprised she doesn´t seem to care about dolphins anymore. I´m not worried about Wlad not being with her on events though, she hasn´t been at many lately and when she has been then he has often had work to do in Europe. I only mentioned the events thing because she attended the german charity one and they walked the carpet with that one but didn't want to do carpet events here. It made no sense to me. 'I forgot they did do the New York appearance together but he didn't pose with her for Nashville upfronts on the carpet at least. My personal opinion, she's too wrapped up with Wlad and his life. Relationships like that don't have long lasting one's, well most don't. Not all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 3:00:38 GMT
I haven´t been a fan of Hayden for so long but I really agree that she should interact more with her fans now that she has a Twitter account and I´m really surprised she doesn´t seem to care about dolphins anymore. I´m not worried about Wlad not being with her on events though, she hasn´t been at many lately and when she has been then he has often had work to do in Europe. But he could really attent more events with her and be all over more supportive. If they didn't have a baby I would right now nearly wish they woud split and find more fitting partners each in their own country bc that would make things much easier. But since they have a baby there's nothing to debate. I hope they stay together for many years and are happy. But anyways I would somehow like to write some sort of letter to her as I said 2 weeks ago. But I'm not sure how to write something like that and I'm not even sure if she would ever get to read it since we can only send it to her public adress for all this stuff, which means her publicist will get it. Only Lera knows her real adress in Nashville from her sister, but she wouldn't give it to me or anyone else and I highly doubt she would understand our concerns especially bc she's from Ukraine and perfectly happy with Hayden's focus there. (Though she also recognized hayden's lack of commitment for whales/dolphins). P.S. I know i'm painting everythink in their relationship a bit darker than it actually most likely is lol. We will most likely never really know wether or not Hayden is happy in her relationship and if this is the reason for her recent change. But as long as there's a small change that it really is like that I just cannot be not worried. Hope you all understand this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 15:50:38 GMT
Concerning her twitter i don't think that it's woads fault that she's not tweeting anymore especially for social causes. Neither do i think wlad would urge her to this nor do i think hayden is the sort of women who would let a man decide such things for her.(or i've a completely wrong picture or her as person lol) but she might have adapted some of wlads privacy ideas over time just bc she's around him a lot. But anyways I do believe as i said before to some degree, that hayden's lack of tweeting for social causes and all over lack of social commitment outside of ukraine is due to her disappointment with many things political and social. I know many people who react similar, i think that lack of commitment and interest in your country is one of th major problems of this decade in nearly all democratic countries. Just sad that hayden seems to think that way. I don't know but maybe we really should think about a letter to her public adress. Further i have the feeling that her focus on ukraine is due to the fact that wlad is not very supportive but hayden wants to save the relationship for them and for kaya of course (which is totally understandable) and hence she does everything to keep it working including this focus on ukraine only to make wlad happy. And now it should be wlads job to do the same and support her but i have the feeling he doesn't see this support thing in relationships as important as hayden. Plus i remember an ingerview i read which was from the late 90s where he said some pretty eastern european macho like things about women. Sure he has changed a lot since those days but might still think it's more important that hayden supoorts him than the other way round. I mean the orthodox church doesn't dipict a very strong pi ture of women but rather of weak women. But that's just a theory as well and maybe nohing of what i say here is true. But it is hayden needs some friend, you know the sort of friend with whom you can talk when you have problems in your relationship and who helps you get things sorted. But the only friends who are friends of both of them equally and could fill in this "space" are mse and his wife and with all respect for mse's photography but he and his wife are just not the sort of friends with whom you share personal stuff. They seem to me like the coctail and party friends but with not much empathy. That's why i wish i was a friend of the two. I would talk to both of them and try to help wherever I can.
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Post by laffytaffy on Jun 8, 2015 16:01:22 GMT
MSE and his wife are very mean people from what I've seen and I also think they want attention too or to be as famous as Wlad and Hayden as well. MSE buys his followers and likes on instagram so he can look popular, lmao. But that's a different topic, waaaay off topic since this is Wladimir/Hayden thread so I'm sorry for that.
I do think it's good Wlad is friends with MSE because I believe MSE may have talked him into getting a public instagram. I also don't think friends can make friends do anything or change their ways. I just think Wladimir being 39, he's set in his ways. I'm just hoping we get pictures of them at some point this summer. More clear ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 16:05:30 GMT
Agree pictures would be cool. But i personally do believe friends can help in a relationship as long as they're friends of both people in the relationship. And to some degree that's a reason you have friends to be able to talk to them. Ok there are also therapists for this but not everyone wants to go to a therapist. If she really puts her focus on Ukraine to keep the relationship working I would be dissapointed in wlad to some degree but as I said e will most likely never be able to know wether or not or change any possible porblems in their relationship. That said I don't think it's the only reason for this lack of commitment outside of ukraine. She would reduce other commitments to foucs on Ukraine but not completely give it up.
I personally think she's disappointed and gave up due to lack of change both in the US and in the dolphin cause. But just recently there has been much change for the better in the dolphin cause. And also the US can change if enough people try to change something. And this is something where we really might help her getting back on the road with some sort of letter. We might not change her foucs from ukraine back to the US (her main focus in the next years will be ukraine wether we like it or not) but she might overthink her decision of completely giving up commitment outside of Ukraine. She might start supporting maybe just one cause in america and maybe start tweeting again at least about the dolphins and other social stuff. I'm sure she has enough time for at least a bit of this social stuff.
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Post by laffytaffy on Jun 8, 2015 18:01:07 GMT
Agree pictures would be cool. But i personally do believe friends can help in a relationship as long as they're friends of both people in the relationship. And to some degree that's a reason you have friends to be able to talk to them. Ok there are also therapists for this but not everyone wants to go to a therapist. If she really puts her focus on Ukraine to keep the relationship working I would be dissapointed in wlad to some degree but as I said e will most likely never be able to know wether or not or change any possible porblems in their relationship. That said I don't think it's the only reason for this lack of commitment outside of ukraine. She would reduce other commitments to foucs on Ukraine but not completely give it up. I personally think she's disappointed and gave up due to lack of change both in the US and in the dolphin cause. But just recently there has been much change for the better in the dolphin cause. And also the US can change if enough people try to change something. And this is something where we really might help her getting back on the road with some sort of letter. We might not change her foucs from ukraine back to the US (her main focus in the next years will be ukraine wether we like it or not) but she might overthink her decision of completely giving up commitment outside of Ukraine. She might start supporting maybe just one cause in america and maybe start tweeting again at least about the dolphins and other social stuff. I'm sure she has enough time for at least a bit of this social stuff. I think eventually she will get tired of following and hopefully she will want to lead something here in America. They both have time to be social it's just a matter of them wanting to. My hopes is that Hayden goes back to her more "free" self and she can do that and still remain with Wladimir.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 19:47:45 GMT
I think eventually she will get tired of following and hopefully she will want to lead something here in America. They both have time to be social it's just a matter of them wanting to. My hopes is that Hayden goes back to her more "free" self and she can do that and still remain with Wladimir. Yes i really hope this too. I think i would be one of the happiest fans around if she get's back to her old self and if wlad maybe becomes a bit more supportive. Btw. I thought about the fact of her nearly not tweeting anymore. I'm sure if Wlad has something to do with it it's just a minor reason (maybe he asked her to not post private pics with him or the baby) bc Wlad does not use twitter much but he does post social stuff and also a personal pic every now and than, all in all more than hayden and she's also telling her friends to be more private with her pics. Whatever it is there must be another reason for this change in her tweeting behavior and her overall change. Wlad may be partly responsible for her strong focus on Ukraine through his lack of support for her other causes and she instead to keep things in their relationship working feels she must support his causes (which I somehow understand). But as I said that's just one reason and certainly not the only reason for this change. Also does she spend a lot less time with her friends apart of mse and sanoe. one year ago she was on holiday with her old freinds and on halloween she spend time with them, but I don't think there's much more. I just get the feeling she's not anymore as happy as she was still a year ago (she's happy with the baby of course but that's all). There's something going on with her of which we don't know anything but which makes me worrying. All this is just a theory of course and could (hopefully) completely wrong but I coud see it being this way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 14:51:10 GMT
You remember when arawen posted those pics from sanoes insta which was public and not private and she was angry and wanted us to remove them?. Actually I lied a bit to not make you nervous or disappointed with Hayden bc it was not sanoe but Hayden who told Lera's(from the vk group) sister who was Hayden's assiastant then to tell Lera to tell us to to remove those pics plus told sanoe to make her account private. But sanoe did this only for about a week. And this is not first time she asked other's to remove pics of her.
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Post by laffytaffy on Jun 9, 2015 20:18:18 GMT
You remember when arawen posted those pics from sanoes insta which was public and not private and she was angry and wanted us to remove them?. Actually I lied a bit to not make you nervous or disappointed with Hayden bc it was not sanoe but Hayden who told Lera's(from the vk group) sister who was Hayden's assiastant then to tell Lera to tell us to to remove those pics plus told sanoe to make her account private. But sanoe did this only for about a week. And this is not first time she asked other's to remove pics of her. Her and her husband are all over the internet especially on instagram and I've seen them both tell people to take pictures down. I don't believe Hayden went to some assistant to tell that assistants sister to take them down. I think Lera may have gotten worried that MSE's wife would block her on instagram or she's simply lying and just didn't want the pictures on the forum because she knows MSE and his wife watch that forum. MSE's wife has her instagram open cause she wants attention and followers but they are really strict about their pictures. Severely strict. I have my own source with them. We're also way off topic. Do you find these stories of their wedding being on hold, annoying? I do. larrybrownsports.com/boxing/hayden-panettiere-wladimir-klitschko-wedding-plans/263833We should also post more pictures of the two.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 22:14:48 GMT
Yes mse's wife is annoying that is true. Though i do believe that lera's sister was hayden's assistant for some time. I don't know if she asked her assisitant to ask lera to take down the pics or not, but it would make sense looking to hayden and wlads overly being overly concerned about their privacy recently but that's not really that important. Apart of that yes those stories are extremely enervating bc they always write the same stuff over and over again. As if it was something new. And i also agree about more pics of the two but there get back to the initial problem. We don't get many pics of them anymore (neither pics nor commitment nor any other stuff ) We can post old ones though and remember the good old days. What shall I say? I'm really missing their old relationship. They were so happy and sociable and commited to all different sorts of stuff together.
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Post by laffytaffy on Jun 10, 2015 0:56:23 GMT
Whatever the case I think if you post pictures on social media and don't have your instagram on private, you somewhat no longer own rights to the picture but I guess MSE and his wife don't see it that way. I loveeddddd the middle picture when I saw it years ago, so cute. I definitely miss those days. Remember the story about them having a heavy make out session at the club in 2009? Here's the picture of young Hayden/Wladimir days lol Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 1:16:18 GMT
Cool thx never seen it.
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