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Post by tinycho on Sept 12, 2015 15:37:36 GMT
I think it would be a little presumptuous to assume anything based off a simple picture.
Not saying that you can't formulate an opinion, you have every right to do that. I think we all here support your right to have an opinion whether we agree with it or not. The purpose of this whole board is for discussion in its purest, most raw forms. I'm totally fine with you expressing how you feel on the subject.
In my humble opinion, I just feel like it's reading too deep into something. Even beyond the fine lines. It's a picture in memory of 9/11. Can't we just take this for surface value? Sure, Hayden is a celebrity. But being a celebrity is merely being a normal person with a really awesome job if you really think about it. If any of us were to post the same picture on instagram or twitter, would we be as scrutinized as Hayden is enduring right now? Probably not. We'd simply like or ignore, and simply continue scrolling. But because Hayden is a celebrity, we feel the need to identify, judge, scrutinize, etc. It's the downfall of being a celebrity. But in the end, she's like the rest of of us right? She eats, sleeps, pays bills. So maybe, just maybe, she just posted a picture to honor 9/11. And that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Maybe she wasn't making some big bold statement, or personifying any trait or lack thereof.
All i saw was a picture honoring 9/11. I honestly couldn't read anything more than that from it.
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Post by laffytaffy on Sept 12, 2015 15:41:10 GMT
I think it would be a little presumptuous to assume anything based off a simple picture. Not saying that you can't formulate an opinion, you have every right to do that. I think we all here support your right to have an opinion whether we agree with it or not. The purpose of this whole board is for discussion in its purest, most raw forms. I'm totally fine with you expressing how you feel on the subject. In my humble opinion, I just feel like it's reading too deep into something. Even beyond the fine lines. It's a picture in memory of 9/11. Can't we just take this for surface value? Sure, Hayden is a celebrity. But being a celebrity is merely being a normal person with a really awesome job if you really think about it. If any of us were to post the same picture on instagram or twitter, would we be as scrutinized as Hayden is enduring right now? Probably not. We'd simply like or ignore, and simply continue scrolling. But because Hayden is a celebrity, we feel the need to identify, judge, scrutinize, etc. It's the downfall of being a celebrity. But in the end, she's like the rest of of us right? She eats, sleeps, pays bills. So maybe, just maybe, she just posted a picture to honor 9/11. And that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe she wasn't making some big bold statement, or personifying any trait or lack thereof. All i saw was a picture honoring 9/11. I honestly couldn't read anything more than that from it. Well put, thank you. I didn't see the harm in the picture or post, she was in a patriotic mood. That's all I took from it, patriotic mood on a date that was horrible for America.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 15:44:24 GMT
You really seem to not understand my issue. I'm not complaining about every little think. In this case it's my concern about what could stand behind this tweet. And her becoming overly religious and conservative and yes that's an issue for me as fan bc the hayden i became a fan of was probably religious too and that's ok but she was always very progressive and modern thinking. I want her to be again like this and yes i will be happy if she proves me wrong. This is my concern and of course you don't have to share it. Anyways It's just a concern not a fact and i wanted to state this. This is my opinion. If i can't say it here, it means i can't state my opinion here. Period About other stuff we all agreed lol. That wasn't only my concern in such cases.
I hope I said it now clearly enough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 15:52:08 GMT
I think it would be a little presumptuous to assume anything based off a simple picture. Not saying that you can't formulate an opinion, you have every right to do that. I think we all here support your right to have an opinion whether we agree with it or not. The purpose of this whole board is for discussion in its purest, most raw forms. I'm totally fine with you expressing how you feel on the subject. In my humble opinion, I just feel like it's reading too deep into something. Even beyond the fine lines. It's a picture in memory of 9/11. Can't we just take this for surface value? Sure, Hayden is a celebrity. But being a celebrity is merely being a normal person with a really awesome job if you really think about it. If any of us were to post the same picture on instagram or twitter, would we be as scrutinized as Hayden is enduring right now? Probably not. We'd simply like or ignore, and simply continue scrolling. But because Hayden is a celebrity, we feel the need to identify, judge, scrutinize, etc. It's the downfall of being a celebrity. But in the end, she's like the rest of of us right? She eats, sleeps, pays bills. So maybe, just maybe, she just posted a picture to honor 9/11. And that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe she wasn't making some big bold statement, or personifying any trait or lack thereof. All i saw was a picture honoring 9/11. I honestly couldn't read anything more than that from it. As a european i found it a bit upsetting. Not the fact she did honoured the date or the troops not even the pic but her caption. It was too nationalistic saying american troops lie by the right hand of god. Bc this indicates her thinking american soldiers have a god chosen mission. Maybe she didn't mean it that way lol it just seems like this. I really don't know. But that's in the end just a single tweet. My real concern is what it could mean in regard of her lack of social commitment and her becomming more and more conservative. This would upset me. But it's just a concern not a fact. I never said it is that way, just that i fear it could be. I hope we see her soon somewhere on some event and she tweets more also about social stuff if she doesn't have the time to attend such events, then i can just forget all of this.
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Post by laffytaffy on Sept 12, 2015 16:01:27 GMT
You really seem to not understand my issue. I'm not complaining about every little think. In this case it's my concern about what could stand behind this tweet. And her becoming overly religious and conservative and yes that's an issue for me as fan bc the hayden i became a fan of was probably religious too and that's ok but she was always very progressive and modern thinking. I want her to be again like this and yes i will be happy if she proves me wrong. This is my concern and of course you don't have to share it. Anyways It's just a concern not a fact and i wanted to state this. This is my opinion. If i can't say it here, it means i can't state my opinion here. Period About other stuff we all agreed lol. That wasn't only my concern in such cases. I hope I said it now clearly enough. I'm not saying you can't express your opinion. I made this forum so that we could express freely unlike on the other forum where we couldn't. I just think we should know when to tone things down if we're becoming too negative on everything OR looking too deep into something that's so small. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by tinycho on Sept 12, 2015 16:03:03 GMT
You really seem to not understand my issue. I'm not complaining about every little think. In this case it's my concern about what could stand behind this tweet. And her becoming overly religious and conservative and yes that's an issue for me as fan bc the hayden i became a fan of was probably religious too and that's ok but she was always very progressive and modern thinking. I want her to be again like this and yes i will be happy if she proves me wrong. This is my concern and of course you don't have to share it. Anyways It's just a concern not a fact and i wanted to state this. This is my opinion. If i can't say it here, it means i can't state my opinion here. Period About other stuff we all agreed lol. That wasn't only my concern in such cases. I hope I said it now clearly enough. I have no problem with you expressing your opinion. I encourage it. Especially in the face of opposition, it shows backbone and conviction. But if I have to respect your opinion, which i will continue to do, you have to in turn not sum up our feelings as if we're saying you can't express yourself when we've encouraged it every step of the way. I don't know, maybe I'm too detached from the situation. I feel like none of us know her personally. So, how do we get to such a level of personal investment? It's just a picture. Tomorrow...it will just be a picture. And the day after and the day after. I don't think there's anything to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 20:10:39 GMT
What the others said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 20:42:31 GMT
@tynicho and others, Whatever the real intention of this tweet was, it came just like out of nothing. And hence i was somehow shocked lol. Bc apart of this we don't know anything about her anymore. I'm not against her being religious. But this tweet looked like her being overly religious and nationalistic to a degree i strongly i really dislike. But i never said i don't like the general fact of her being religious in some way. That's ok. I'm too although i'm normally not going to church. Long ago hayden said in an interview she believes in god and also prays to god from time to time, but doen't go to churches bc she doesn't get the answers there she seeks for in life. She gave this interview when she was 16 i think in some christian magazine. I know judging her and assuming she's an ultra-conservative religious person by only one tweet is surely wrong but, there's nothing else about her these days. So it made (at least on me) much more impression than it probably should and gave me the feeling there could actually be more behind this. I really hope this situation changes soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 18:19:14 GMT
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Post by laffytaffy on Sept 13, 2015 19:00:38 GMT
ive had the beer before but it's not my favorite, I prefer bud light, its easier on my stomach.
never seen these pictures, thanks for posting!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 21:44:50 GMT
American beer isn't sold in Germany normally. Just in certain stores. I think many Germans are very biased when it comes to beer.
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Post by laffytaffy on Sept 13, 2015 21:46:52 GMT
I have a lot of family in Europe, some in Germany and my brother visited them a few years back and he said that German beer tastes much better than American beer and that European beer in general has a better taste compared to here. I haven't tried for myself but I've heard from him and multiple people that the beer quality is better there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 21:53:43 GMT
I have a lot of family in Europe, some in Germany and my brother visited them a few years back and he said that German beer tastes much better than American beer and that European beer in general has a better taste compared to here. I haven't tried for myself but I've heard from him and multiple people that the beer quality is better there. To some degree this is true especially bavarian beer. But a bud light in the summer is sometimes just better than a very heavy german one with wheat. Just curious your family in germany/other europe did they move there from the US recently or are they far relatives from the time your family moved from europe to the US?
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Post by laffytaffy on Sept 13, 2015 21:56:36 GMT
I have a lot of family in Europe, some in Germany and my brother visited them a few years back and he said that German beer tastes much better than American beer and that European beer in general has a better taste compared to here. I haven't tried for myself but I've heard from him and multiple people that the beer quality is better there. To some degree this is true especially bavarian beer. But a bud light in the summer is sometimes just better than a very heavy german one with wheat. Just curious your family in germany/other europe did they move there from the US recently or are they far relatives from the time your family moved from europe to the US? My moms side of the family including herself is from Europe, she came here after marrying my scumbag American father lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 22:09:54 GMT
Scumbag. This sounds bad. But I won't ask you about it.
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