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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 14:02:52 GMT
About the medication, I´ve always been skeptical about medication in general. When I had CBT my therapist recommended me to take SSRI´s but I never did, I´m too scared of side effects. However of course you should and need to take it if your depression/anxiety is really bad and nothing else helps like in Hayden´s case. But I feel that doctors prescribe it way too easily and especially to children and young adults.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 14:16:41 GMT
About the medication, I´ve always been skeptical about medication in general. When I had CBT my therapist recommended me to take SSRI´s but I never did, I´m too scared of side effects. However of course you should and need to take it if your depression/anxiety is really bad and nothing else helps like in Hayden´s case. But I feel that doctors prescribe it way too easily and especially to children and young adults. Just read an article which talked about a women who had PPD and got psycho therapy but also 5 different antidepressants. I thought 1-2 ok but 5? Seriously? My friend got only 2 and already had bad side effects when in treatment. That's why I pray hayden's therapist is a good and caring one, who only does what is really necessary to help her and not what he things brings him the most money or that he's totally incompetent. Side effects can range from agressiveness to weight gain, which both would be horrible for Hayden, knowing she was so happy of feeling well in her body again. I don't know maybe I'm overreacting but having depressions myself every now and then and especially having a friend who went through a not so succesful treatment which changed him personally for some time (until he stopped using the medcine), I'm really worried about Hayden's well-being
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 14:22:06 GMT
All this situation is very disgusting I remember last year when she was pregnant and she was happy and now? I can't believe it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 14:37:24 GMT
About the medication, I´ve always been skeptical about medication in general. When I had CBT my therapist recommended me to take SSRI´s but I never did, I´m too scared of side effects. However of course you should and need to take it if your depression/anxiety is really bad and nothing else helps like in Hayden´s case. But I feel that doctors prescribe it way too easily and especially to children and young adults. Just read an article which talked about a women who had PPD and got psycho therapy but also 5 different antidepressants. I thought 1-2 ok but 5? Seriously? My friend got only 2 and already had bad side effects when in treatment. That's why I pray hayden's therapist is a good and caring one, who only does what is really necessary to help her and not what he things brings him the most money or that he's totally incompetent. Side effects can range from agressiveness to weight gain, which both would be horrible for Hayden, knowing she was so happy of feeling well in her body again. I don't know maybe I'm overreacting but having depressions myself every now and then and especially having a friend who went through a not so succesful treatment which changed him personally for some time (until he stopped using the medcine), I'm really worried about Hayden's well-being I totally understand it since I go through it myself a lot. Hope you don´t mind me asking but which medicines did your friend take?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:00:13 GMT
About the medication, I´ve always been skeptical about medication in general. When I had CBT my therapist recommended me to take SSRI´s but I never did, I´m too scared of side effects. However of course you should and need to take it if your depression/anxiety is really bad and nothing else helps like in Hayden´s case. But I feel that doctors prescribe it way too easily and especially to children and young adults. And how can someone seriously recommend SSRI's, since they can cause suicidal tendencies and depressions themsleves, plus other bad side effects like sleep porblems and sexual disfunction, etc? And on long term they can cause blunted affect. I think that would depress me even more, if I'd be about to lose my ability to express my feelings, especially if being an actor or something similar. Antidepressants only stop depressions by inhibiting your feelings. But it's not a real solution in my eyes bc it destroys your personality in the long term. Antidepressants can be good for some weeks but not on the long term. Bc the real peoblems causing depression need to be solved with a psycho therapy. PLus the only 50% of people getting treatet with SSRI's have positive outcomes. I just think no depression is worth it to deal with these kind of medication especially since there's other stuff you can do and take like the actual psychotherapy and homone therapy. I know it's good hayden seeks for help but really hope Hayden also takes this into account an let's herself explain all possible treatment methods and probably deosn't take more than one antidepressant at all and that once she's healed she doesn't go on taking any of this stuff after leaving the treatment center bc some therapists might recommend this. I just couldn't bear the idea of Hayden slowly loosing her perosnality through medication like it happened with actor Jeremy Brett who played sherlock holmes in the 80s series. Only positive thing is that PPD is easier to cure, than other depressions I think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:02:53 GMT
I totally understand it since I go through it myself a lot. Hope you don´t mind me asking but which medicines did your friend take? Sadly I don't know. I didn't not ask him about the specific names of his medcine.
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Post by laffytaffy on Oct 15, 2015 15:07:01 GMT
About the medication, I´ve always been skeptical about medication in general. When I had CBT my therapist recommended me to take SSRI´s but I never did, I´m too scared of side effects. However of course you should and need to take it if your depression/anxiety is really bad and nothing else helps like in Hayden´s case. But I feel that doctors prescribe it way too easily and especially to children and young adults. This is what I mean, doctors sometimes prescribe medications way too easily especially here in America. I could go to a pain doctor and say I'm in such pain (even though I'm not) and they would easily prescribe me lethal pain medications which are highly addicting. I've watched class mates and friends who suffered through various different types of depression and were on multiple medications which lead them toward taking other stuff and getting hooked on various drugs. Side effects is what is scary and often makes a person do things they wouldn't normally do. This is why I hope Hayden doesn't get hooked, I understand she may need medications for a few months but I hope she doesn't become one of those celebrities who get hooked on other things and then eventually, we end up watching the downfall. I'm not saying she will, I'm just hoping she doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:09:44 GMT
This is what I mean, doctors sometimes prescribe medications way too easily especially here in America. I could go to a pain doctor and say I'm in such pain (even though I'm not) and they would easily prescribe me lethal pain medications which are highly addicting. I've watched class mates and friends who suffered through various different types of depression and were on multiple medications which lead them toward taking other stuff and getting hooked on various drugs. Side effects is what is scary and often makes a person do things they wouldn't normally do. This is why I hope Hayden doesn't get hooked, I understand she may need medications for a few months but I hope she doesn't become one of those celebrities who get hooked on other things and then eventually, we end up watching the downfall. I'm not saying she will, I'm just hoping she doesn't. That's why i think she should let the therapist show her all forms of therapy. Bc there's officially no evidence antidepressants help with PPD or at least not as main part of the therapy. And other psychological therapies often help more. And that if she feels something is not good for her that she has (despite her depression) the strenght to say no. I can only pray for this.
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Post by laffytaffy on Oct 15, 2015 15:13:31 GMT
This is what I mean, doctors sometimes prescribe medications way too easily especially here in America. I could go to a pain doctor and say I'm in such pain (even though I'm not) and they would easily prescribe me lethal pain medications which are highly addicting. I've watched class mates and friends who suffered through various different types of depression and were on multiple medications which lead them toward taking other stuff and getting hooked on various drugs. Side effects is what is scary and often makes a person do things they wouldn't normally do. This is why I hope Hayden doesn't get hooked, I understand she may need medications for a few months but I hope she doesn't become one of those celebrities who get hooked on other things and then eventually, we end up watching the downfall. I'm not saying she will, I'm just hoping she doesn't. That's why i think she should let the therapist show her all forms of therapy. Bc there's officially no evidence antidepressants help with PPD or at least not as main part of he therapy. And other psychological therapies often help more. And that if she feels something is not good for her that she has the strenght to say no. I can only pray for this. Depending on her level of depression, maybe she doesn't need medicine but I think she may because a lot say when you enter a treatment center for PPD, it's very serious because most seek weekly visits with a doctor (outside help) but obviously Hayden's case may be more severe to the point of her having to enter a facility. I'm sure she will speak about it once she's better, and we will know what her struggles were or we may not. I just know it's serious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:17:54 GMT
That's why i think she should let the therapist show her all forms of therapy. Bc there's officially no evidence antidepressants help with PPD or at least not as main part of he therapy. And other psychological therapies often help more. And that if she feels something is not good for her that she has the strenght to say no. I can only pray for this. Depending on her level of depression, maybe she doesn't need medicine but I think she may because a lot say when you enter a treatment center for PPD, it's very serious because most seek weekly visits with a doctor (outside help) but obviously Hayden's case may be more severe to the point of her having to enter a facility. I'm sure she will speak about it once she's better, and we will know what her struggles were or we may not. I just know it's serious. If she speaks about it after it means it was successful. I just hope it will be. Bc suffering from all the sideeffcts and an addiction are not a success. If it's serious she may need some medication but as I said she shouldn't let her tell that this is the most important part. It never is. The most important part is the psychotherapy and bringing her hormones into balance. Then she won't have to take any antidepressants for too long. I wish she'd come to Europe for this.
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Post by laffytaffy on Oct 15, 2015 15:21:41 GMT
Depending on her level of depression, maybe she doesn't need medicine but I think she may because a lot say when you enter a treatment center for PPD, it's very serious because most seek weekly visits with a doctor (outside help) but obviously Hayden's case may be more severe to the point of her having to enter a facility. I'm sure she will speak about it once she's better, and we will know what her struggles were or we may not. I just know it's serious. If she speaks about it after it means it was successful. I just hope it will be. Bc suffering from all the sideeffcts and an addiction are not a success. If it's serious she may need some medication but as I said she shouldn't let her tell that this is the most important part. It never is. The most important part is the psychotherapy and bringing her hormones into balance. Then she won't have to take any antidepressants for too long. I wish she'd come to Europe for this. It's possible she may be in Europe, we don't know where she's at right now. I don't think she's in LA or NY to be honest. LA for sure out of the question, (my opinion of course). Those are hot spots for paps but in time, the location will come out which I hope it doesn't, at least not until she has completed her treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:36:07 GMT
If she speaks about it after it means it was successful. I just hope it will be. Bc suffering from all the sideeffcts and an addiction are not a success. If it's serious she may need some medication but as I said she shouldn't let her tell that this is the most important part. It never is. The most important part is the psychotherapy and bringing her hormones into balance. Then she won't have to take any antidepressants for too long. I wish she'd come to Europe for this. It's possible she may be in Europe, we don't know where she's at right now. I don't think she's in LA or NY to be honest. LA for sure out of the question, (my opinion of course). Those are hot spots for paps but in time, the location will come out which I hope it doesn't, at least not until she has completed her treatment. Ok, I agree that's she's most likely not in LA bc of the paps and if it was there she wouldn't have flown to NY just for one interview only fly back afterwards. And none saw her on a plane or anything since she flew to NY. So it might be there or else in Europe. Maybe UK or germany. All in all we can say it's very good she get's help now bc without the situation would get wore and worse like with Juliette and her drug abuse now. But it's also important she get's the right help bc wrong help might make the situation similar, to if she wasn't geting any help at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 15:51:56 GMT
About the medication, I´ve always been skeptical about medication in general. When I had CBT my therapist recommended me to take SSRI´s but I never did, I´m too scared of side effects. However of course you should and need to take it if your depression/anxiety is really bad and nothing else helps like in Hayden´s case. But I feel that doctors prescribe it way too easily and especially to children and young adults. This is what I mean, doctors sometimes prescribe medications way too easily especially here in America. I could go to a pain doctor and say I'm in such pain (even though I'm not) and they would easily prescribe me lethal pain medications which are highly addicting. I've watched class mates and friends who suffered through various different types of depression and were on multiple medications which lead them toward taking other stuff and getting hooked on various drugs. Side effects is what is scary and often makes a person do things they wouldn't normally do. This is why I hope Hayden doesn't get hooked, I understand she may need medications for a few months but I hope she doesn't become one of those celebrities who get hooked on other things and then eventually, we end up watching the downfall. I'm not saying she will, I'm just hoping she doesn't. Exactly! I mean I work at the emergency unit as a medical secretary and often doctors prescribe Oxycontin, Oxynorm and other addictive painkillers. OK sure if you´re in a tremendous amount of pain but they prescribe it almost as much as Paracetamol. But then I´m not a doctor. My CBT therapist said that I could take SSRI´s because they WEREN´T addictive according to her, she said I could only take one when I felt most anxious and not regularly. I still neglected. It´s going to take a lot for me to take medication. But I have also heard many people that has gotten better thanks to it so we shouldn´t be completely negative towards it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 16:37:04 GMT
Exactly! I mean I work at the emergency unit as a medical secretary and often doctors prescribe Oxycontin, Oxynorm and other addictive painkillers. OK sure if you´re in a tremendous amount of pain but they prescribe it almost as much as Paracetamol. But then I´m not a doctor. My CBT therapist said that I could take SSRI´s because they WEREN´T addictive according to her, she said I could only take one when I felt most anxious and not regularly. I still neglected. It´s going to take a lot for me to take medication. But I have also heard many people that has gotten better thanks to it so we shouldn´t be completely negative towards it. It can help as supportive measure to psychotherapy and hormonal therapy i think. But no alone and especially not too much. The dosage is key. Less is often more. In germany they would never give you a heavy painkiller for minor things. I think it's one of the most conservative countries concerning medication. But not always of course.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 0:15:05 GMT
To not let things become too quite during Hayden's absence we could speak about old times.
Like how did you guys become fans of Hayden? I became a fan of her through heroes. I never heard of her before 2006. And in the beginning i didn't even like her character claire and found heroes rather boring and wanted to give up watching it. But after not watching some eps i rather accidentally recorded an episode and just watched it and liked it. Without this accident I would've never become a hayden fan. I decided then to go on watching and became a fan of the show and Hayden and also watched some other stuff with her like this horrible cheerleader movie bring it on lol. Later i also watched scream 4 and I love you beth cooper which were better.
In my opinion her best role was defintely the one of Juliette, followed by her scream 4 role and the claire bennet role. But I never watched this amanda knox movie with her though, so i don't know how her role was there. I think nashville was the first real chance of her to show her great acting skills although she had her good moments in scream and heroes too.
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